Part II – Growing The Economy Matters Vastly More Than Winning a Referendum
The idea that independence for Wales or Scotland must be mandated by a referendum has gained currency and become most people’s assumption, but in fact there’s no legal or historical basis for it.

There was no referendum in the case of Irish independence in 1922; nor in the cases of Canada, South Africa, Australia or New Zealand, the last of these being in 1947. In fact, of the 62 countries that have become independent from the UK since the Second World War, only one – Malta – did so following a referendum – and that, for what it’s worth, was in fact a second referendum happening eight years after it had voted against independence in an initial referendum (1964 and 1956 respectively). More recently, there were no referenda when the Baltic states left the Soviet Union in 1991, nor when Slovakia separated from Czechoslovakia in 1993.
According to House of Commons research, “as a matter of law, a referendum is not required for Scotland to become independent“.
The normal process for a country to become independent is that a negotiated settlement is reached between a recognised entity (a government or other legitimate representative) from the new country and the government of the former ruler. Occasionally – as was the case with Norway’s independence from Sweden in 1905 – a referendum is held after the agreement of independence terms in order to validate the outcome, but even this is the exception rather than the rule. The important elements are:
- The applicant country has an entity to represent it with sufficient authority – moral and legislative – to be regarded as speaking legitimately on its behalf.
- That entity has a sufficiently strong negotiating position that it can obtain a settlement on all the relevant matters – debt, currency, trade, security etc. – so that the new country can function practically from day-to-day once independence has been obtained.
In Scotland’s case, (1) is clearly fulfilled. No-one can seriously argue against the assertion that the SNP government, whatever its failings, is the legitimate elected government of Scotland. In both countries’ cases, however, (2) is clearly lacking; under current circumstances, both countries have a large fiscal deficit which leaves them dependent on subsidies from English taxpayers in order to cover their public sector expenditures.
Therefore the real requirement for Scotland and Wales to achieve independence has nothing to do with winning a referendum. It is for Wales to overthrow Labour and elect a pro-independence government, and for both countries to achieve a level of economic growth – exceeding that of their expenditures – that will close their fiscal deficits.
Wales catching up
Clearly Scotland has the advantage over Wales so far, in having overthrown Labour already. Opportunities like 2007 don’t come along very often, and Plaid Cymru’s bone-headed, pusillanimous and venal caving-in to Labour – upon which, incredibly, they doubled-down after the 2021 election – has undoubtedly left Wales in a position where it needs to catch up.
The ray of light, giving cause for optimism, is that in the meantime it’s been shown that Labour can in fact be beaten in Wales by an insurgent right-of-centre party. The result in the Euro elections of May 2019, which saw the Brexit Party as clear winners and Labour pushed back into a distant third place, shows what’s possible – though again, this came about due to a very specific set of circumstances:
- Crucially, just like in 2007 (when David Cameron had recently taken over as leader after Michael Howard, and was as yet an unknown quantity), the Conservatives were in disarray and not seen as a serious threat by those who’d normally vote Labour just to keep them out.
- Labour themselves were in disarray, this time over Brexit (for comparison, the 2007 elections had come at the very end of the Blair era, weeks before he stepped down, so that again Labour were distracted)
- Significantly, and unlike 2007, there was a widely-known right-of-centre party which wasn’t the Conservatives and had an upbeat, positive message.
Who’s to say when similar conditions may arise again? At the time of writing, the Conservatives are in the midst of a leadership election and Labour are consistently failing to gain any traction in the UK-wide polls. There seems little prospect of Plaid Cymru, having once again doffed their caps to Labour and taken a junior rule in the Senedd, ever being able to leapfrog them. But if we in Gwlad can get ourselves into the role that the Brexit Party had in 2019, then anything’s possible.
Where Wales has the edge over Scotland
If a pro-independence government is to have real legitimacy, then it should endure for more than a single electoral term and should be seen to improve the conditions in the country during that time. The best way to ensure that is for there to be more than one pro-independence party available, and for at least one of them to have a clear centre-right pro-business attitude. Then, even if public opinion shifts between left and right as overall economic conditions change, voters are not forced to choose between a single independence party that may not suit their economic aspirations, and one or more Unionist parties that might be a better economic fit.
In this respect Wales has a clear advantage over Scotland in that we have already developed a multi-party independence movement, with different parties that have clear distinctions between their policies. Not only that, but both the main parties are grass-roots parties, and have elected representatives.

I’ve written elsewhere about the essential difference between ‘grass roots’ parties, formed from the ground up to occupy a part of the political landscape that was previously unserved, and ‘top down’ parties formed around established politicians that fall out with their previous parties and try to form a new movement around themselves. The latter almost never succeed, and even when they do they seldom take on a life of their own separate from the personality who founded them. New parties that succeed in becoming established over the long term are almost always of the ‘grass roots’ variety.
In Wales, both Plaid Cymru and Gwlad are classic grass-roots parties, yet appeal to very different voters: Plaid to the left, Gwlad to the centre-right. Gwlad, the newcomer, has already broken past the barrier that most new parties never get past at all: having someone who’d never been elected before, standing under Gwlad’s banner, winning a seat from an established party. This happened when Gwlad’s leader, Gwyn Wigley Evans, won a county council seat in May’s election that had previously been held by the Liberal Democrats (and their Liberal predecessors) for over 100 years, as well as gaining community council seats in various parts of the country.
Scotland lacks this degree of roundedness: while there are other registered pro-independence parties, they are either of the top-down variety like Alex Salmond’s new vehicle, Alba, whose differences with the SNP are personal rather than political; or micro-parties like the Independence For Scotland Party and the Scottish Libertarian Party who have yet to win an election of any sort.
Therefore it can be said that, despite Scotland’s head start, Wales is in a better position to build an enduring independence movement which will ultimately succeed if it can only grasp the economic nettle.
The economic nettle
Whether for Wales or Scotland, any aspiration for independence which doesn’t address the need to be economically independent – the need for the country to pay its own way in the world – is pie in the sky. Any independence party that doesn’t place this front and centre within its policy platform isn’t worth the name.
As I’ve written elsewhere, there’s no point denying that this is a difficult conundrum. Although it’s hard to find an independent country anywhere in the world that hasn’t performed better economically after independence than it did beforehand, in most cases this has involved some short-term economic pain in the beginning. Looking at the newly-independent countries of central and eastern Europe, the overriding lesson is that the countries that grasped the nettle and went for full structural reform quickly, such as Poland and Estonia, have performed much better than those such as Romania and Bulgaria who took a slower approach. Yet even the latter have grown very much more quickly than Wales has over the last 30 years.

The only way to avoid economic pain after independence, however short-term, is to ensure that the country’s budget is as close to being balanced as possible, with public expenditure closely matched to tax receipts. Without this, the newly-independent country has two equally unpalatable options:
- Borrow from the international markets, in some recognised currency (e.g. Pounds, Dollars or Euros) by issuing bonds. If the country can’t provide evidence that it has enough tax receipts to pay the money back, then lenders will demand punitively high interest rates to guard themselves against the risk of default. If these prove unaffordable, then bankruptcy results.
- Introduce a new currency and trade using that, with the government effectively borrowing from itself (via its Central Bank) by printing extra currency as needed. The problem with this is that if the amount of currency being printed exceeds the value of goods and services being generated by the country’s economy, the value of the currency will crash leading to hyperinflation and an inability to import essentials such as food and medicine.
The second option at least has the virtue that it makes the country’s exports more competitive, stimulating investment and helping the economy to recover, but it’s still a painful way of doing it.
Red herrings
The headline fiscal deficit that Wales has at present is around £14 billion per annum, or 20% of GDP. When this uncomfortable fact is raised, all sorts of half-baked responses are made to try to make it sound less bad or more manageable:
“Every country in the world runs a deficit” – this is true, but most countries only have deficits of a couple of percent. The EU requires newly-joining countries to sign up to adopting the Euro as their currency, which in turn requires a deficit of <3%. Even the EU countries with the highest deficits at present (currently Malta, Latvia, Greece and Italy) don’t exceed 8%.
“We’ll get a fair price for selling our water to England” – also true, but this will raise at most ~£400 million per annum, leaving another £13.6 billion to find from somewhere else.
“We won’t have to pay pensions to English retirees living in Wales” – true as well, but we would have to pay the pensions of Welsh retirees living in England, and when you do the maths the saving would be of the order of ~£100 million (i.e. £0.1 billion) per annum or less.
Really and truly, then, there’s nothing for it: the deficit has to be closed by old-fashioned economic growth: producing more than we do at present, and ultimately producing more than we consume.
An impossible task?
A way to the sunlit uplands
The important things to remember are these:
- Wales hasn’t always had a deficit; while proper figures aren’t available for all past years, we know for sure that Wales heavily subsidised the rest of the UK until at least the 1960s and was still close to breaking even when Devolution began in the late 1990s. The current deficit is the result of deliberate Labour Party policy since that time, at least in part motivated by a desire to tie Wales closer to the UK.
- The miracle of compound interest means that, once an economy starts growing, large deficits can close surprisingly quickly. Welsh economic growth since Labour took control in 1999 has been, in real terms, around 0% per annum. Over the same period, independent countries of similar size, with free-market economies, have tended to grow at rates between 2% (Finland) and 7% (Ireland and Malta). It’s surprising, but if we could grow tax revenues 2% faster than we increased expenditure, it would only take 8-9 years to close the gap – far less than the 23 years it’s been growing for.
Which is easy to say, but… how?
This is where we come to what we in Gwlad call the “middle column policies”, since our Manifesto is laid out in three columns: on the left, the problems that need to be addressed; on the right, our aspirations for post-independence; but in the middle, the nitty-gritty things to be done in the meantime.

The last thing needed is a detailed top-down economic plan for micromanaging every aspect of the economy: they don’t work. But we can:
- Clip the wings of the Third Sector. We do not need 48 separate publicly-funded organisations to tackle homelessness in Wales, especially when many of them seem to have to import clients from over the border to justify their existence.
- Stop building prestigious business parks using public funds, that as often as not end up being occupied by government departments and third-sector organisations.
- Shift the focus for investment support from overseas firms who’ll be here today and gone tomorrow, and instead concentrate resources into home-grown Welsh businesses who’ll stay and grow for the long term.
- Lower the barriers for people who want to become self-employed or employ other people for the first time.
- Address the fact that one of the biggest difficulties facing high-value Welsh businesses is the recruitment and retention of qualified staff. Expanding travel-to-work areas as far as possible, rather than starving road and rail of investment and introducing low speed limits in the name of environmentalism, is vital.
- Remember that Wales’s CO2 emissions are negligible in world terms: stop making the manufacture of steel at Port Talbot, for example, much more expensive than it is in other parts of the world because of ill-thought-through green tariffs, or making Welsh agriculture unviable by excessively stringent environmental regulations and fat subsidies for windfarms and forestry.
- Stop throwing money at every charlatan who rocks up to Cardiff Bay with a half-baked scheme for zipwires, hotels or leisure parks, and instead place the emphasis on encouraging long-term, well paid jobs in skilled manufacturing or white-collar industries.
- Most importantly of all, remember that often the best thing a government can do to promote growth is to get the heck out of the way and leave it to people who know what they’re doing.
And frankly, if we’re not doing these things, we’ll be in deep trouble even if Scotland votes Yes. So the sooner we start the better.
Excellent. Practically no-one in Wales thinks like this. Which is amazing considering there is supposed to be a Nationalist community, and party since 1920s. The legalities matter – you need a Convention to give yourself a base more than you need a Referendum that doesn’t have a base. And the whole Debt/Growth topic is where the Irish were so good. They got a fantastic deal out of London.
But there are a few in Wales who would get this. Talent and awareness are rare, so lets hook up with them and break out from the beach-head.
There’s a paradox here in that the Senedd is not a ‘full’ government, i.e. of a sovereign state, but the parties in it act as ‘big’ government with their meddling and anti-business policies. An interesting concept to ponder over, at least.
Thanks for that Stephen. I’m glad to see that you have developed those themes that relate more to “trading out” of the present stagnant mess. This is at the heart of the matter when aiming to stand on our own 2 feet or at least only leaning slightly on someone else ! The statement of 8 points that could have an immediate and sustained impact is one well worth repeating regularly.
Of course there is the big problem of the anti-business culture that is so prevalent in our society. Much of this has developed from the need of insecure people with some vaguely do-good ideals to have “an enemy” and it’s far easier to get into a pseudo- socialist, fake working class way of thinking than confronting realities. Yet perversely these same anti-business sentiments are held by those people who will engage willingly with big business, globalist capital with no attachment to our country. A new axis of evil is formed – the bond now evident between big government of all persuasions and big corporates who have concern only for their own self interests.
Add to this mix those other toxic elements to which I referred earlier and we have a big swamp to drain. Nevertheless these are challenges that have to be confronted otherwise we will be assimilated into the Greater England entity and stuck in the national poverty trap mostly created and facilitated by our own government and politicians. It’s called circling the plughole, I think.
It’s a bit of an apples and oranges situation though as only Ireland seceded as an integral part of the UK proper as opposed to a colonial possession, and that was after the bloodshed of the Rising, Black and Tans and the Civil War. Not a precedent to follow!
I do have to wonder how many fudges are at play to give this ‘official’ deficit figure though, given how integrated we are with England. The EnglandAndWales (read: England) legal system being a prime example. Transport for Wales [sic] operating a fair few services exclusively serving large towns and cities of the English North West and West Midlands is another off the top of my head.
It’s a bit of a chicken and egg situation trying to grow an economy without all the levers, and it being done from an institution that is intrinsically designed not to let Wales get too ahead of itself, especially to the detriment of English/Westminster interests. Sandbox Wales I call it; we can play at doing things but there is never any risk or reward involved.
Also, to lay out the failures the SNP is somewhat tangential to the more salient truth. Not to be whataboutist, but how many failures, scandals and cock-ups have successive Westminster governments overseen throughout the decades (and centuries)? Too many to list, I’d wager. The key point to note is the people of an independent Scotland would be able to kick them, or whatever successor parties form upon a split, out whenever they have had enough of them. Ditto for Plaid in Wales. The same is not true of the Conservatives or Labour under, let’s not beat about the bush, what is to all intents and purposes English rule.