5 o sylwadau ar “(English) More To Come For Sure

  1. About half of my circle of friends are Yes Cymru members (myself included) , Many are politically savvy and can understand the issues well enough to debate them.
    A thing to note , and this is purely anecdotal but I assume its the same for many people, those that have no interest in politics and don’t really understand how the world works, are mostly Plaid Cymru and Gwlad supporters; while the ‘politically literate’ Yes Cymru members,are from Labour/Greens/Libs.
    Not a single friend that I would consider “Centre-Right” is politically literate. This is not meant to be be a derogatory view on the right, as those friends would be the first to admit they don’t know the first think about politics, or how the country works.
    So, your core voter in my experience are the ideologically driven nationalist, rather than the those that want independence on a fact-based, pragmatic ecological plan.
    The flag waving will attract the former, but to convince the latter you will need to do far more work and show what your vision of Wales looks like.
    What will be the currency?
    Will the Fiat currency or state bank be tied to another currency?
    Will you allow the abused of fractional lending to enter Wales into the currency slavery we see with other nations?
    These are huge questions and you need to show that you have at least given them consideration. Gwlad’s manifesto was a start, but in terms of starting a new country it was woefully inadequate.
    Welsh Labour have done something that I never thought i would see, they are going to write a Welsh ‘Constitution’ and I urge all parties to lobby the minister responsible for its creation, to get all Welsh views included in the conversation.

    1. Your friends are probably part of what I’d call the Troglodyte right. The sorts of people who still believe WW2 is on and Britannia still rules the waves, often found in the wild on the Daily Mail comment board. How many of these people have a clue about economics, history, or who Adam Smith was? I’ll give anyone of a reasoned right wing stance a fair hearing, but thickoes of any stripe I have less and less time for these days. To me, a thicko is someone who isn’t too bright, but is utterly convinced of their non-existent prowess and with this conviction comes ignorance. People who may not be the brightest or most educated, but are willing to close their mouths and open their ears I have far more time for.

  2. Your comments are not being censored, but it is true that after the election the webmaster here has been spending more time on his day-job, and so hadn’t logged in to this site since the last post was made.

    Anyway, thank you for your comment. The only part of it I’d take significant issue with is the assertion that the ‘politically literate’ (Labour/Greens/Libs) are the ones who “understand how the world works”, while those on the centre-right are somehow politically illiterate or lacking in understanding more generally.

    We’d argue the opposite. On the left of the political spectrum there often seems to be a feeling – it’s hard not to call it smugness – that they have all the answers and if only they were given the levers of power then everything would work out well. In fact, though, one of the hallmarks of the centre-right is a certain amount of scepticism about the ability of government to deliver the sort of society we want to live in. I’ve blogged about that here:


    Very often centre-right people appear disengaged from politics because we’re running our businesses, raising our families, getting on with things and engaging with the way that the world really works: and realising in the process that micro-management by the government isn’t, more often than not, the way to make things better.

    It’s true, though, that there are things that only governments can do and it’s important that those things are done well. The article cited above acknowledges that, and currency is doubtless one such thing. Again, this topic has been covered in great detail on this site, with this four-part series running to the best part of 10,000 words:


    We are building a new grass-roots party here, and it’s not the work of a year or two (we’ve been running for just shy of three years) nor even a single election cycle. Do not underestimate us.

    1. I’ll listen to what an intelligent person of a reasoned right wing stance has to say, but the chap above has a point about the less intelligent ‘believers’. Sun-reading, chest thumping, immigrant-bashing and tribalistic. Ruled by id and base instincts of ‘mine’ and ‘other’. Of course there’s plenty of silliness to be found in the daft left too and in their propensity to seize upon fringe and intractable issues.

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