Chwech o sylwadau ar “(English) What Wales Should Do When Scotland Votes No

  1. Excellent. Practically no-one in Wales thinks like this. Which is amazing considering there is supposed to be a Nationalist community, and party since 1920s. The legalities matter – you need a Convention to give yourself a base more than you need a Referendum that doesn’t have a base. And the whole Debt/Growth topic is where the Irish were so good. They got a fantastic deal out of London.
    But there are a few in Wales who would get this. Talent and awareness are rare, so lets hook up with them and break out from the beach-head.

    1. There’s a paradox here in that the Senedd is not a ‘full’ government, i.e. of a sovereign state, but the parties in it act as ‘big’ government with their meddling and anti-business policies. An interesting concept to ponder over, at least.

  2. Thanks for that Stephen. I’m glad to see that you have developed those themes that relate more to “trading out” of the present stagnant mess. This is at the heart of the matter when aiming to stand on our own 2 feet or at least only leaning slightly on someone else ! The statement of 8 points that could have an immediate and sustained impact is one well worth repeating regularly.

    Of course there is the big problem of the anti-business culture that is so prevalent in our society. Much of this has developed from the need of insecure people with some vaguely do-good ideals to have “an enemy” and it’s far easier to get into a pseudo- socialist, fake working class way of thinking than confronting realities. Yet perversely these same anti-business sentiments are held by those people who will engage willingly with big business, globalist capital with no attachment to our country. A new axis of evil is formed – the bond now evident between big government of all persuasions and big corporates who have concern only for their own self interests.

    Add to this mix those other toxic elements to which I referred earlier and we have a big swamp to drain. Nevertheless these are challenges that have to be confronted otherwise we will be assimilated into the Greater England entity and stuck in the national poverty trap mostly created and facilitated by our own government and politicians. It’s called circling the plughole, I think.

  3. It’s a bit of an apples and oranges situation though as only Ireland seceded as an integral part of the UK proper as opposed to a colonial possession, and that was after the bloodshed of the Rising, Black and Tans and the Civil War. Not a precedent to follow!

  4. I do have to wonder how many fudges are at play to give this ‘official’ deficit figure though, given how integrated we are with England. The EnglandAndWales (read: England) legal system being a prime example. Transport for Wales [sic] operating a fair few services exclusively serving large towns and cities of the English North West and West Midlands is another off the top of my head.

    It’s a bit of a chicken and egg situation trying to grow an economy without all the levers, and it being done from an institution that is intrinsically designed not to let Wales get too ahead of itself, especially to the detriment of English/Westminster interests. Sandbox Wales I call it; we can play at doing things but there is never any risk or reward involved.

  5. Also, to lay out the failures the SNP is somewhat tangential to the more salient truth. Not to be whataboutist, but how many failures, scandals and cock-ups have successive Westminster governments overseen throughout the decades (and centuries)? Too many to list, I’d wager. The key point to note is the people of an independent Scotland would be able to kick them, or whatever successor parties form upon a split, out whenever they have had enough of them. Ditto for Plaid in Wales. The same is not true of the Conservatives or Labour under, let’s not beat about the bush, what is to all intents and purposes English rule.

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