19 o sylwadau ar “(English) A New North-to-South Rail Route for Wales

  1. Good thinking there. May not be the fastest ride around but it would certainly meet a need for journeys that are now really difficult to plan around. Potential demand along the route is more likely to support viability. Carmarthen to Aber is desirable but the population in between is more sparse.

  2. I developed most of these proposals a few years ago but was recently inspired to look at it again after watching ‘RailNatters’ episode #57 on Youtube by Gareth Dennis. My original route went from Talgarth to Abergavenny on a new line, but I preferred an idea from Gareth to use the Cwm Bargoed freight line to Merthyr and over the Beacons to Brecon, so I shamelessly stole this idea from him.

    In his latest episode #116 he provides detailed route maps and costings – where he has opted for a faster but more expensive route. Take a look and compare the two proposals. Maybe something between the two would give best value for money???

  3. How convenient it passes through Gobowen Shropshire – a personal service for Mr Gwlad himself ?

    A child like plan not worthy of serious comment.

    1. Assuming you mean me (hardly Mr. Gwlad), I don’t know what you’re talking about; this plan would inconvenience me massively, since I live in Shrewsbury, not Gobowen, and currently all the North-to-South trains pass through here.

      But I still think it’s a very good plan. Definitely a better use of infrastructure money than contributing to HS2.

  4. There is already a good north – south railway despite little internal demand. Most traffic that sustains the north and western route is N England – S Wales.

    HS2 will open up more passenger and freight capacity on existing congested routes – this includes Scotland and north Wales although under socialism and nationalism there’s little prospect of either generating much economic growth any time soon.

    I worked in LMR operations at Crewe in the 80’s and 90’s there was virtually no demand between the north and the south, I’m told peak demand today is pubic sector generated…..a typical welsh tale.

    Maybe England should quit the UK first.

    1. Go for it mate and take all your vanity projects with you. Trident, Westminster rebuild, off shoring migrant problem to Rwanda or anywhere else, ….the list is endless. You can cough and splutter as much as you like about HS2 but even that is getting chopped up, yet again, and will probably end up another useless unfinished scheme. Even Northern Tory M.P’s are getting fed up with the Londoncentricity of planning in general.

    2. Crewe, about 30 or more miles from the border, that place you mean? Idiot.

      1. Crewe is more important to north wales than Cardiff and a lot less than 30 miles away but its position on a map in relation to the border is neither here nor there.

        These comments expose a lack of understanding and a total detachment from reality, wales will never be independent.

        1. I feel sorry for you fella that you must troll a Welsh Republican page with your outdated brand of English Nationalism.
          You obviously have allot of bitterness and resentment towards people who want the best for Cymru and the only thing that your ilk can do is play The Anti English Card.

        2. It’s about 25 miles away, from the part of the border that the NW coast line passes through, verify that yourself. I never mentioned independence, but it seems you’re too thick to realise that east-west transport axes in Wales are not pre-ordained, axiomatic and natural, but a result of centuries of London rule. Primary school-level geometry and topography also dictates that regions of countries will have natural economic hinterlands in other countries. Why, I’d wager more people in Lille commute to Brussels for work than Paris, numb nuts!

  5. One area where Gareth & myself differ – is in route north of Merthyr. We would both initially follow the bank of Pontsticill Reservoir – with my proposal to tunnel (>1km) from Dolygaer to Talybont Reservoir, then carrying on down the valley to Talybont, with a new ‘Brecon Parkway’ station built just north of Talybont next to the A40. Then largely following existing alignments north.

    Gareth’s route would cross the Pontsticyll reservoir at Dolygaer on a viaduct, before continuing north and entering a tunnel (2km?) under Pen-y-Fan. The tunnel would exit in the direction of Brecon and allow a new station to be built on the outskirts of Brecon, before then continuing north along new lines.

    This is a very ambitious proposal with major infrastructure requirements – brand new lines across the National Park – and at a significant cost – albeit with the benefit of placing a station nearer to (but not in) Brecon. The cost of this section would probably make the overall scheme unviable.

  6. Billy – your comment demonstrates your prejudices – but the propsal is not directly related to whether Wales becomes independent or not.

    It is a proposal to improve rail infrastructure in Wales.


  7. If your article is only about how to ”improve rail infrastructure in Wales” then there would have been no need to use terms like ”looks and sounds Welsh” as an apology for crossing into England.

    When discussing the realistic possibilities of reopening railways in Wales its always ends up getting dragged down by the same issue – ie you can’t travel from north to south Wales without crossing into England.

    Why is this such an issue – are you preparing for a hard border or something ?

    1. Now who on Earth is saying hard border? What exactly is your problem with Railway Inferstucre being the responsibility of a Welsh Government.

      1. Because the Assembly isn’t capable of running anything, plus nearly every service in wales bar the valley lines and the Conwy valley line starts or ends in England.

        If you want a a truly welsh train service then all services should terminate at the border so England’s travellers aren’t held to ransom by a bunch of incompetent socialists.

        1. The manifold failures of the UK government in public transport policy since the end of the Second World War prove that the WG don’t have the monopoly on this!

    2. You’ve answered yourself there, Billy Boy. The shocking conception it is indeed, that discussion on potential future Welsh railway infrastructure desires said to be within the territorial bounds of Wales! What other axioms are you sitting on, eh? An alternative would be incorporating the former Marcher counties within Wales to achieve this aim. Are you in actuality a closet irredentist, Billy?

  8. It looks like they have overlooked there is room to put in a chord to the south west of Saltney junction. Then Hollyhead to Cardiff Central could cut about 22 mins off the run by bypassing Chester. Putting in a chord here could open up new routes for train operators to utilize. If the route south to Cardiff was upgraded to allow inter-modal traffic it might encourage a freight depot to be built giving jobs to the region. It would take a lot of long haul road lorries of busy local roads. EV lorries could take the place of long haul ones.

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